Songwriters Who Use Suno (AI)
This question is for songwriters who write and Suno does the composing.
What are your end goals?
I will answer first:
I don't want a publisher. I want my music played on the radio/streamed. I'm not interested in collaborating with anyone. Maybe my end goals would change, if an offer came across my desk. I don't know. What I know is, I love to write songs and say what I want to say.
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@TammyB I was the first on this forum to post songs writen by me and supported by Ai.
At the time, I got a lot of flak from some "real" musicians. From the start I defended my use of Ai by stating I was using it as a tool to learn and a medium to support my lyrics. That is still the case today. I use Ai primarily for my own enjoyment, whether I post for others to listen comes a long way second. I don't need to justify my use of Ai to anyone. Like you and many others here, I write songs because I love it and I post here to learn and hopefully contribute.
I, like you, use my songs to convey what I want to say and what I feel. Like them or not, that is everybody's choice and right. I don't write to make a buck, I don't need to, I write and use whatever I choose and post within the rules of this forum.
In short, Ai is a godsend to me personally as a lyricist, I and others, can hear what I write, nothing else.
Sid
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Publishers don't take AI songs , over stolen material . Thats fine just have fun writing . 12 million are on Suno
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I don't see myself using it. I just write for fun, but half of the fun of writing songs is coming up with the melody. The lyric influences the melody and vice versa. I simply can't imagine writing one without the other. I say this as a lousy musician, but you don't have to be a great performer to write a song.
I don't say this to disrespect lyricists who use Suno. I just think they are missing out on some of the fun and some of the "I did that" feeling of satisfaction.
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@sidshovel - I'm sorry that happened to you. I believe you and I are on the same page. At times, I believe a lot of the musicians' fear AI replacing them. If it wasn't for Suno, my recent songs would be collecting dust waiting for someone to compose.
@ElvisNash - That's too bad publishers don't use AI songs because I read where a lyricist/artist brought an AI song to a musician asking him to replicate it.
@OnlyGavin - I respect anyone's decision not to use AI, but I would rather use AI than to listen to a lousy musician despite the lyrics. It doesn't take skill/talent to sound lousy. I'm speaking in general, not necessary to your skillset.
I take pride in the fact that the lyrics are mine, no matter how good or bad. I believe it takes skills to write a song; some people like me can write one in 15 to 20 minutes. While others take months or unable to do so at all.
I applaud all the musicians who can do both.
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Can I just take a moment to congratulate all of you on having a sensible and reasonable discussion on AI generated music? It's far too rare, and lovely to see.
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You could use AI for a melody . But for publishers to take a song , it has to be live players . If Publishers took AI songs , Nashville would be a ghost town in about a month. Look at in from a session players eyes . His job just got replaced by robots . Better yet think of your job and you were fired cuz you were replaced by robots . How would you feel Tammy ?
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its not fun , its business for me . $$$$ . if you want love , ya got own a dog lol
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I doubt 12 million Suno writers could careless on what old men think of robots lol
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@ElvisNash LOL. There are a lot of old men on Suno, too. They probably don't care and are too busy jamming out with the robots. Those traitors. :-)
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Well I'll keep using session players and sing them . Suno really has nothing to do what I do . The fever based debate is a waste of time . Suno is not going anywhere with 12 million writers. its a million dollar company and probably loaded with lawyers fighting off Sony and stolen material . I doubt the kids could careless on the woes of the billion dollar music industry on Suno.
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You can't stop a dog from being a dog , So trying to get people to pick up a guitar is a waste of time lol
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@ElvisNash - IMHO, I think there's room for robots and musicians. I believe each one has their own lane and cannot replace one another.
For example, I LOVE to sing, but God didn't give me a singing voice. At first, I was not happy with not being the next Whitney Houston or Mariah Carey but now that I found Suno, I'm making peace with my purpose in music, and it's to write songs and tell my stories. Suno allows me to do so at an inexpensive price and then upload to wherever I want so family and friends can enjoy. This is priceless to me.
Musicians will always been in demand because people want to see live performances and robots are not able to perform live. And if they could, who's going to pay to see robots?
The end result is the listening ear; some people don't care if it's Suno (AI) as long as it moves them one way or another. Some people may care if it's robots. My point is, I don't think musicians should worry about AI, but to keep doing what they do and crafting their skill level. There is room for a happy medium.
I can't comment about people on Suno stealing other people's music. That's too bad for them. I wouldn't want to claim someone else's work. There is no honor in stealing music.
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Oh, I forgot to add, the best part about Suno is that we don't need a publisher for approval to share our songs with others.
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Suno is trained on hits , Every song done on there is stolen material , Thats what the law suits are about
I'm not worried about robots , I would not worry about stolen material Tammy , Thats between the big boys and their mess
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Oh okay, I recently learned about Suno and I'm glad I did. I'm not aware of every song done on Suno is stolen material or lawsuit. I write all my lyrics, and I don't steal anything. Interesting and eye opening.
Thanks for the information.
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You don't understand , every lick you're using on Suno is stolen material . Why do you think their getting sued ?
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its beaten a dead horse now , What's done is done
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To be clear, I've written every way you can think of. . . added lyrics to music, added (bad) music to lyrics, used a Chord Generator to write instrumentals, dragged and dropped notes onto a staff with notation software and then added lyrics/vocals. I've collaborated with lyricists and with instrumentalists. The end goal with A.I. is exactly what the end goal is with any other song. . . it's to be HEARD and to make an impression.
I DO "want a publishe" but can't afford one. Collaborative efforts are as high as I can aspire to.
We all 'want our music played on the radio.' It's an unlikely goal for most of us, with or without the producer and the marketing team. You can more effectively aim at getting on 'spotify' or one of those type of websites. I freely admit I know little or nothing about 'spotify' or any of the others.
I still write, co-write, and collaborate, but lately I've been spending time learning how to effectively use Suno.ai to create instrumentals for my already existing vocal melodies, and some entirely new ones. I don't view it as ANY different than taking a wonderful instrumental, getting permission, and adding vocals and lyrics to it. It's a little backward from that, but not fundamentally different.
If you've been hearing from some source that A.I. is producing songs that will get you 'on the radio,' I have failed to see that as a reality. To begin with, there are some frightfully inartistic components and decisions in every song that I have listened to. To my (admittedly inexpert) ears, the music sounds fine, and the vocal choices regarding pacing, spacing, and cadence are usually horrible. AND. . . more importantly, when I record with a qualified and talented collaborator, he/she will spend LITERALLY HOURS going over every detail of the volume, tones, etc, making it (not 'radio ready' but 'demo-quality.'
Final note: If you LOVE to write songs, and have something to say to people, do what you love. If you will be disappointed if that "offer" never comes across your desk, my suggestion is to just don't bother with it. If you love it, do it. If you are hoping to become rich and famous, one of two things are true. 1. You're a lot better and/or more persistent and/or better funded, and/or better at advertising/marketing etc. . . than I am. 2. OR. . . you're likely to end up selling as many songs as I have. . . NONE.
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Thank you so much for your informative feedback! It's a wealth of knowledge for me because you have the experience to speak on both sides (AI vs non-AI).
You are absolutely right about doing what you love and that's writing songs. I'm grateful Suno has given me the platform and I'm still learning too. I believe we need a great marketing team, and a little money goes a long way. You need to have skills, too. :-) It's also about connections.
Again, I appreciate your knowledge.
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Suno is making 120 million a month , They ain't going anywhere. They tapped into a gold mine . That CEO is laughing all the way to the bank
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As a lifelong pro turned hobbyist musician I've written songs for years. I'd work on them in the car driving to work, waiting for my kids, wherever and whenever I had time. I mostly just kept them in my head. I always felt like I had some good songs but I never had the money to go to a studio and gamble on what may or may not turn out well. But, I always dreamed of how they would sound with a bunch of "A listers" in a studio. Then I heard about Suno. I started studying how to use it and figured out I could upload my home recorded demos and force Suno to "cover" my melodies and lyrics exactly, just like going to a studio. I have to say the results have in most cases been stunning. After finishing a dozen or so songs my takeaway from all of it is... Suno is an amazing tool to give a glimpse into a songs true potential. The cost was minimal and the quality is decent enough to pitch (if the AI artifacts don't turn your target off) but that will only get better and change. I'm not too sure what's going to happen, but if I were a studio musician or studio owner specializing in rough first demos I think I'd be a bit worried. The battle is ongoing for copyrighting. That's going to be a huge mess. I'm an old man and all I want to do is share some music I've had in my head for years so that's not my battle. I'll post some of my stuff in the section for song feedback.
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I like the idea of getting Suno to "cover" your home recorded demos. That makes me maybe want to try it. I admit that I'm getting a little weary of AI generated songs where someone just writes a lyric and tells Suno to have at it. The results tend to be a bit generic and bland (though not always). Adding the musical creative process back in, might make things more interesting.
And by the way, I write songs in just the same way as you describe 🙂
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I have had fun using Suno for a couple of songs, but the results are just too random as it is and I don't have as much a sense of accomplishment as writing my own songs from scratch.
I wish there was a more advanced mode that let you more fully write your own songs and then use Suno to make them sound like a professional demo without it trying to write anything beyond background session instrument parts.
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@mandosummers If you post AI generated music, please note it as such in your post. You can use a tag or put "Lyrics: you Music: AI" or something like that. There are members who do not wish to listen to AI generated content. The position we have taken on this forum is that it's fine to post them, but label them clearly so that those who do not wish to listen can choose not to follow those links.
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@TammyB sort of like a songwriter like me who largely uses YouTube backing tracks. Tho' my goals aren't as lofty as yours, I'm just havin' FUN with it!
Wishing you the very best,
Renee 😍
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My experience is remarkably similar. I too have written many songs with inferior music OR with musicians with collaborators. Found numerous software "solutions" that allowed me to write music (badly and/or inartistically) but had no real good musical outcomes. Good ideas, but bad performances. I've collaborated with some highly talented musicians, but left to my own devices. . . my music was unquestionably not good enough. I've been on SUNO for five months now. . . and the outcomes with SUNO were always much better. Not only that, but they have gotten better at a phenomenal rate as I learned how to direct them to get the compatible music with my own preferred vocal melodies. . . AND as they just improved drastically. Like you, I was not content to just let SUNO dictate the vocal melodies. . . but had to learn how to direct it to give me something compatible with what I wanted to sing. The most interesting thing about all this is that NO ONE was threatened when I was using software to write BAD music. As you noted. . . now, (now that SUNO is about 500% better than it was when I started - 5 short months ago), NOW, it's reasonable for struggling wannabe songwriters to feel threatened by A.I. music.
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As Anne Murray said: "Anyone can sound good in the studio, it's what you can do live that separates the men from the boys."
Studio life was great for a while. And it's still good for collaborating with distant musicians.
I see no difference between A.I. and... the VSTi's, looping, arpeggiators, and old-fashioned multi-tracking that I use. Oh yeah, pitch correction, quantizing, EQ, etc.etc.etc.
Altho' I am happy to share my previous studio fakery with the community... A.I. is the nail in the coffin. It's back to flesh & blood performance for me. Friends, neighbours, family, church. So much slick shit is gonna be produced by A.I. that some people will crave the human anomalies of live performance.
If I have to criticize A.I. at all it would be for the amount of sorely needed electricity it squanders, across the board, not just in music.
That's my two cents. Your mileage may vary.
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And anybody can buy a demo.
The goal for anyone using suno, should be using it as a real good look at what a song can sound and feel like.
I don't think you can use it as the finished product, cause it borrows heavily from commercially produced records.
My goal is to have more control of the music end, playing and singing and using my musical ideas.
Want to use it more as a band than a co writer1 -
AI or live performance recordings have a very slim chance on finding a audience , So it really dosen't matter which one you use
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I'm the only one who mentioned live playing, so I gotta ask what you're talking about here...
Do you mean a recording of a live event? Or a live performance demo.
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If I played in front of a half dozen people that would be an audience for me. My wife or bandmate is an audience! The biggest audiences I ever had wouldn't total a thousand. 😀
Maybe you have a different definition of "audience"? Are you trying to make a career of song-writing? I am 100% amateur, so that could be the difference in POV. For me an audience is living bodies. I have no dream of a media audience beyond a few comments on a forum like this.
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