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 Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2011 08:33 pm
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Trying to find ways to translate what I hear in my head to my computer. Looking for some feedback on Auto Tune software. I don't write or play music, and have found software that will help you do that, but you at least have to know what key you want. I've found other software that will tell you what key you're singing in, but all it tells me is that I'm off-key! I'm looking for a program what will correct my awful singing into something workable. Does anyone have experience with Auto Tune software?



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 Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2011 10:25 pm
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Man we are in the same boat. I want to make music for my songs I have tried band in a box for hours but it's like you need a class to use them. It gets frustrating I have tried to play instruments it's like it just won't come to me no matter how bad I want it.



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Phoenixx wrote:
Trying to find ways to translate what I hear in my head to my computer. Looking for some feedback on Auto Tune software. I don't write or play music, and have found software that will help you do that, but you at least have to know what key you want. I've found other software that will tell you what key you're singing in, but all it tells me is that I'm off-key! I'm looking for a program what will correct my awful singing into something workable. Does anyone have experience with Auto Tune software?

I did use chordpulse lite to write chords to practice with, this also has a key shift function, i am not sure if this is what you are looking for. if not well sorry for the waste of your time then.

http://www.chordpulse.com/lite.html

And to find out in wich key you sing, u could try to sing into a chromatic tunes (guitar tuner) this will display the key in wich your tone is set !!

Edit: added tuner tip

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Reaper software has a pitch shift in the FX side and you can mannipulate your vocals with that and add some chorus  and reverb .Reaper is free to download and use you only pay if you like it and i think it's 40 $
Marco is right about singing into a tuner



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Arthur Holt wrote:
Reaper software has a pitch shift in the FX side and you can mannipulate your vocals with that and add some chorusĀ  and reverb .Reaper is free to download and use you only pay if you like it and i think it's 40 $
Marco is right about singing into a tuner


Dang Art, i didnt know reaper myself, indeed a nice program, i gues i am going to purchase this piece of software, finaly i can record with this application like i always wanted, no wierd BG sounds/noise and the effects work like a charm here.

Thanks again for pointing this software out to us.

Oh btw I do use my microphone now while it stands on a folded towel, this also helps in getting a better sound, due to limitations of vibrance on the desk !!



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Thanks, y'all! First step, I guess, is getting a new mic. The connector for my old one won't work with the new computer. It was a cheap Radio Shack special, and an adaptor that will make it work costs more than I paid for the mic. But I'm trying to think ahead and find something that'll work for me and doesn't require either a computer genius or a lot of money to make it work.



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Thanks, y'all! First step, I guess, is getting a new mic. The connector for my old one won't work with the new computer. It was a cheap Radio Shack special, and an adaptor that will make it work costs more than I paid for the mic. But I'm trying to think ahead and find something that'll work for me and doesn't require either a computer genius or a lot of money to make it work.

Just a little tip for when you going to buy a new mic, assuming its for the PC, dont get yourself a jackplug version but buy a USB connector instead, this has less static noise !

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Hey Karen, did you get a new mic. ? How's Auto Tune going ?



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Marco,

Way much thanks for that singing into a tuner tip. Why didn't I think of that!!!! :thumbsup



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The most obvious thinks are the ones we overlook.
Glad i could be of any help !!



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Sorry it took me so long to answer your post, Art. I ended up catching this nasty flu bug going around down here. Although I did get a new mic, right now I'm croaking like a frog. It would take a whole lot more than Auto Tune to make me sound good! LOL As soon as I get my voice back, I'll give it a try and let you know.



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 I don't much about Auto Tune, but I do know that it's expensive!  I would definitely try a less expensive program unless you've hit the lottery and money is no object!



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Dang it! I must have looked at it wrong. I thought it said it was a free download...probably a free trial. I hadn't downloaded it yet; I was looking for feedback on the program first. Back to the drawing board! I don't have a guitar or a guitar tuner, so that option's out.

I'm basically looking for a free downloadable program that will correct my pitch problems so I'm not so self-conscious about singing. It pretty much has to be a free program...I'm in the business of renting luxury vacation condos on Alabama's gulf coast, and part of my paycheck is commission-based. Between the economy the last few years and the oil spill, there's not a lot of leeway for "play money."



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 Good luck in finding one.  You would probably have better luck finding someone here who has the software and would be willing to do it for you.  They could also do amazing things with noise removal, eq, and effects to enhance your recording.  It sounds like alot, but it's all a simple process for those with the software and know how to use it.



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Heck i could adjust a plain track and do some shifting :) and mix that into some music:)



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Reaper software $40 but it is free to try and you get a full function verson to use till you see if you want it . it is great ....


http://www.reaper.fm/

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Thanks, y'all, for the suggestions! I'll check it out once I shake this thing. Even Etta James would sound like a frog with this crud.



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Phoenixx wrote: Trying to find ways to translate what I hear in my head to my computer.
 

There are a few things I want to weigh in on here. Great thread, by the way. I think its entirely commonplace that what we hear in our heads seldom comes out that way. Call it the car-singing syndrome, the layers upon layers upon layers of songs and singers we have heard in our lives, and even the frustrating reality of how barbaric our hands/voices are at capturing the wonders going on inside our heads (anyone tried to "draw" a dream lately?). So, we are left with trying to make the most of our "instrument", in this case our voices, and work with the talents we were born with or the skills we can learn.

"Looking for some feedback on Auto Tune software. I don't write or play music, and have found software that will help you do that, but you at least have to know what key you want."

First up, I really really hate AutoTune software. I think it was Cher who first brought it to prominence (I guess her voice is unreliable) but now you hear it in pretty much every pop tune, even when singers can actually sing! Its become the "sound" of modern pop music, I think for reasons of compression but others may know more about this. For me, it sucks all the life out of lyrics, makes singers lazy, and has even created a generic sound that is starting to make it hard to discern one singer from another. Do they realise this? I've heard some engineers/producers using AutoTune to create synthetic trills, harmonies, note leaps and even note sustains with this insidious little device.

So if you want your voice to sound tuneful and you are comparing it the answer is simple, don't listen to pop! You almost never hear AutoTune on less commercial music, and thankfully never on the good posters of authentic music here. The key is not pitch, but authenticity. I truly believe that the most unforgettable, classic, heart-breaking or -lifting voices I can think of are seldom traditionally in-tune voices. Think Springsteen, Dylan, Zappa, Bowie, Jagger, Cash just for starters. What we love about these guys is that their voices are instantly recognisable, strong and confident. And of course on albums we may not be hearing the first 'take'. In concert you hear them as they really are (or were). If you can find your unique "sound" others will like it and won't complain too much. And what is perfect tune anyway? I think of MJ, or Stevie Wonder, or Paul McCartney; but those guys are the peak, the ultimate, 99.9% of people will never achieve these heights.

However if your voice is really as "awful" as you say, and you actually need a tuner to tell what key you are in it could be a deeper issue. When you sing along with artists you like are you "listening" to your voice AND theirs? Where do they segue and where do they jar? I reckon listening is one of the key problems with especially young players who are caught up in the words or the guitar chords and aren't listening to the sound of their voices and how it all mixes together.

There certainly aren't any computer programs to help us to "listen", and I'm definitiely not suggesting you are a young hothead. I'm speaking from experience because my voice is really average also. I can sing in tune, and I am developing some licks, but my challenge is a lack of natural "timbre" - the sonic quality of a voice. Johnny Cash's timbre would be deep and woody whereas Keith Urban's would be sweet and twangy. I waver between deep and middle pitches but really have to work at producing an individual quality of sound that others like. To do this, in my recordings I play around with effects like double-tracking and delay, and adding strange reverbs to my voice so it sits in the mix happily. Some people even like my voice just as it is! Our voices tell the story for the most part so they must be audible, but I try to put the right emotion into the singing that the song requires and have come up with the odd remarkable outcome.  If my pitch is out, or my phrasing sux, I just sing it again. If it becomes inaudible I push up the volume in that bit. I make sure I don't overwhelm the playing so that it can become one unified recording.

These things all take time, and I wish, I wish I could just open my mouth and what was in my head would come out crystal clear, in tune, and instantly engaging - like you just want to listen and listen. Are you using a DAW like Logic or Cubase? There are heaps of resources for achieving the above effects and I can share some if you would like. But don't rely on an AutoTune program to fix it. Create the song, get into the emotion you need to deliver it by whatever means work for you, and just sing it, as strongly and confidently as you can. Turn off the nagging inner voices, and practise, practise, practise. Sing it out over the Atlantic and be proud!

Phoenixx, your voice shall rise.

Hope this helps a bit.

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Melodyne by Celemony is another way to go, maybe the very best.



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Im with Arthur on this one. Reaper is a fantastic DAW. And it's pretty cheap. It has all the effects you would ever need. Plus it has good mixing/mastering tools you can use to your advantage. Plus you can hear what your changing as you do it.



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