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 Posted: Thu Feb 21st, 2019 02:49 am
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Seamus wrote:
I think that people might not like to say that they don't like something so they choose to say nothing at all.

I've thought about that too Seamus. But any feedback is good. Even negative. It's what make us grow as creators.
You're actually pretty good at leaving feedback. But like MP, you tend to stay in the lyrics side more. Nothing wrong with that. You and him are lyricists, so that makes sense.

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 Posted: Fri Feb 22nd, 2019 01:53 pm
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You are probably right Seamus, "I think that people might not like to say that they don't like something so they choose to say nothing at all."

When feedback is lacking I always wonder if it is because people didn't like it. I would want to know that too. Knowing why someone doesn't like it would be even better.

I think lyricist can comment in the music database section. Maybe we can't talk about the technical points, but there are still lyrics, and an overall sound.

I have read a different thread about how to leave feedback even if a person feels they are not qualified. The answer from others was that are happy just for an overall opinion -like it/don't like it. Honesty is the most helpful policy.



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 Posted: Fri Feb 22nd, 2019 09:01 pm
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This is a songwriters forum.
The WHOLE IDEA is to talk about songs.
And if you don't know how to do that we have a topic to tell you how.
But ultimately you need to do it to learn how.

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PS --- I really appreciate those that make an effort.



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Motorist Sketchbook wrote:
PS --- I really appreciate those that make an effort.


So do I Sketch. And it frustrates me to see people just posting song after song and never leaving feedback for other people.
In the past month, I have left feedback on over 40 songs, and no one has returned the favor for one of mine.
It's very discouraging.
And it makes me want to look for other outlets with similar styled artists to promote my music.

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samiamiamsam wrote: Motorist Sketchbook wrote:
PS --- I really appreciate those that make an effort.


So do I Sketch. And it frustrates me to see people just posting song after song and never leaving feedback for other people.
In the past month, I have left feedback on over 40 songs, and no one has returned the favor for one of mine.
It's very discouraging.
And it makes me want to look for other outlets with similar styled artists to promote my music.

We need you here. Please don't leave.

I share your frustration to a point.
And I suppose the natural consequence for one who does not reciprocate
with reviews would be to stop reviewing their songs.

And perhaps everyone has their own way of deciding who's songs they will review.
I like the policy of two reviews for every song posted for review. But, as you have pointed out,
not everyone does that. Let's face it. Life's not fair. If it was, I wouldn't
have much to write about. lol -- (embrace the pain)

The bottom line is that I can only hope to control my own behavior. (if that)
People can do whatever they want, but they can't do it for free.

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Sam, I would guess most other sites would end up being the same way. I would be real surprised if there are more than maybe 30 to 50 fairly active members on here. I know of one particular user that I see post songs but I have only once ever seen them leave a comment. Now those songs are few and far between but until it was mentioned I had never seen them post a review for anyone. It’s probably the nature of the beast and the reason why it would be nice if guests could somehow leave feedback. I’m sure we’ve all recently seen people who join to try to promote products. That annoys me.

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Deleted post, see idea below.

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 Posted: Sun Feb 24th, 2019 10:55 pm
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A critique only area, genreless. You basically agree if you post in that area you are to leave a review for EVERY post in that section good or bad. Period. Regardless of musical style. This avoids missing someone’s post, maintains activity, and holds hands to the fire. No need to go searching around through different styles, posts that may be pages back, etc. Can we all agree on that? This will bring active members to the forefront and will eliminate the need to go out of this section unless you choose to do so. Thus prompting anyone who wishes to get feedback to also agree to that particular stipulation.

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Maybe this is just my perception, but it is not hard to find a new post to read and comment on. It is not hard to go to a different genre, or go the music data base, click on the link and listen to the music (and read the words). It is easy to look for an entry from a particular person. This website is set up very nicely to find and follow the posts.

Reading others posts and the comments can be as enlightening as posting something of ones own. I find this to be true even if the lyrics/songs are in a different genre. Give it a try, and then another. You don't have to love everything about a work to like something about it, or at least to leave feedback.



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 Posted: Mon Feb 25th, 2019 07:26 pm
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So the question then is why have different areas for any lyrics? Lyrics are lyrics, no need to separate by style or genre. To each their own, I was simply offering a suggestion.



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I think it should be apparent the amount of people who actually seem to care. So few have weighed in. Again, lots of views, few replies. My apologies for the above post as today I just noticed the quick links tab where all recent posts can be seen. Apparently my lack of attention or site navigation made me miss this. I guess that is all that is needed to see new posts across the board, no matter where posted.

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M.P, there is something to be said for collapsing forums.
We could collapse the Lyrics Lounge and the Music Database.
Or collapse all the musical genres. Or both.
It would push people towards songs they might not otherwise look at, and as has been pointed out, what is the difference between reviewing a blues song vs a folk song? It mainly comes down to people's preferences.

It's easy to set up a new section, harder to shift things that are already there. So we would likely leave old songs in place but prevent new songs from being added to those sections.

The trickier part is if we decided to undo that and go back to categories. There would be no basis to split songs back into Country, Rock or whatever other than manually which could be a big task depending on the number involved. So I am keen to have a clear consensus before attempting it. I don't feel we have that yet. There is a clear issue with getting reviews and feedback, but different ideas on where that comes from or what might fix it.



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 Posted: Mon Feb 25th, 2019 11:43 pm
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Owen, maybe just adding a section that is post and review only? Maybe not all people would choose to agree to those terms and if not they could still post under the other specific sections. While I will stand by the fact that while lyrics are lyrics, I do think different rules and knowledge of that specific style comes into play. I’m all for a section like that if it can be easily done. I don’t think collapsing all into one is a good idea but it kind of goes back to the hard critique I brought up some time ago. Anyone that has been here for any amount of time has seen this issue rehashed time and time again. Closing one section if needed would be much easier than collapsing them all only to return to the old way in the future. My thoughts anyways. But I’m never short on opinion. I think it would actually help the cause mentioned. That gets my vote.



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sorry, double post.

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