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 Posted: Mon Nov 19th, 2018 10:07 pm
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As an aspiring songwriter I was wondering if everyone is a disorganized as me? I have books full of ideas all in random disarray. Am I out of the ordinary or do many of you find yourselves in the same predicament? I often start one song only to get pulled into 2 to 3 other ideas. I also find myself having a hard time finding material due to my pages being written with multiple ideas. I try writing on a clean page with one idea but it never pans out that way. I dont consider my artistic but have seen many articles saying that artistic people usually are disorganized. Do you agree?



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Thanks.
This is a great topic.
My short answer would be that everyone needs to find a way that works for them.
So, I don't think there is a formula that EVERYONE must follow.
And I don't think you are trying to say that either.

Like you, I use a music notebook.
That is a great organization tool. Even if the notebook is stuffed with notes
and has different ideas on the same page, at least it is all in ONE PLACE.

I will sometimes have to start a fresh page to get serious about a song idea.
I see that notebook as just that. A place to store notes. I will get on my computer
when I want to do some serious writing. I use EverNote as a digital notebook for my lyrics.
There again, all my songs are in one place.

I discipline myself to FINISH songs. I will force myself to write by doing two or more
song reviews on the Songwriting Forum. Then I feel like a HAVE to write something. lol

I set goals to keep on track. When I need to choose a song to work on,
I will page through my notebook until something stands out to me or seems
to want to be finished. The songs call to me. (pick me, pick me)
I know, I know... that's kinda weird. lol

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Steve, is there an advantage to using Evernote? Never heard of it. Finishing songs is one thing I can sometimes be bad at. I have to really think its worthwhile or I usually move on. I'd rather get my ideas all out there and then revisit.



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M.P. Dudash wrote: Steve, is there an advantage to using Evernote? Never heard of it. Finishing songs is one thing I can sometimes be bad at. I have to really think its worthwhile or I usually move on. I'd rather get my ideas all out there and then revisit.
Evernote is a free computer application. Or it was when I got it.
There may be other similar products. It is basically a digital notebook.
I find text so much easier to edit and even to write on a computer.
You have the advantage of spellcheck and revisions and alternative
versions are easy to see and manage.

I can print the pages, or copy and paste them to the Forum and SoundCloud.
I just makes all the online management easier. I like pen and paper for initial notes.
But after that I want computer text tools to go forward.

But this is just the way I like to do it. Everyone needs to use what they are
comfortable with. But I see some definite advantages to the digital tools. And you
can see how fast I am cranking out the songs. These are powerful tools.

Initially, before coming to this forum I wrote and recorded my demos
with no outside input. It has been great to share the lyrics here and get some
input on them. The goal for me is always to get a demo recorded.

Many years ago someone told me that if you want to write ten GREAT songs,
you need to write 100 good songs to get there. So, I need 100 good songs to
get to the Ten great ones. I'm surprised at songs that I thought were so-so but
turned out great, and others that I thought were winners that turned out so-so.

Even the recording part is a creative process for me. Every song takes on a
life of its own. I never (or seldom) know going into it how it will turn out.
For the most part I have been very happy with the results.

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I'll have to look into it. I'm with you. Couple that I looked at as just oh well I'll put something out there have received good feedback while some others I felt were extremely good got not so great reviews. I guess that's part of the journey...



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I use an electronic notepad on my laptop where I jot down single lines or ideas. I try to keep them all together until they look like becoming a song. Otherwise I would lose track of them, and anyway you never know when they will cross pollinate, and you come back and find that great line you found last year. Not sure I have as many ideas on the go concurrently as you do though!!



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I would say I'm disorganized when it comes to writing lyrics. Probably why it takes me so long to complete a song. I almost always compose my music first, then work in a vocal melody, and finally start writing lyrics toward the end of the process. Most people around here start with lyrics.
Edit: Great topic, by the way..

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M.P. Dudash wrote: I'll have to look into it. I'm with you. Couple that I looked at as just oh well I'll put something out there have received good feedback while some others I felt were extremely good got not so great reviews. I guess that's part of the journey...
Right.
Ultimately it is your song.
I would consider the source on feedback and decide how much stock to give it.
The judgment of some individuals is so bad, I will literally go opposite to what they say.
Ultimately it has to work for you. First and foremost, I would say.
"To thine own self be true." (lie like a snake to everyone else) lol -- Just kidding.

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M.P. Dudash wrote:
As an aspiring songwriter I was wondering if everyone is a disorganized as me? I have books full of ideas all in random disarray. Am I out of the ordinary or do many of you find yourselves in the same predicament? I often start one song only to get pulled into 2 to 3 other ideas. I also find myself having a hard time finding material due to my pages being written with multiple ideas. I try writing on a clean page with one idea but it never pans out that way. I dont consider my artistic but have seen many articles saying that artistic people usually are disorganized. Do you agree?

I find myself to be pretty disorganized as well. Sometimes I'll get an idea for a song when I'm out and about and so what I have to do is type the idea into the notepad app on my phone. I have too many documents in that app now and it's all over the place. I think that it's a part of being a songwriter, though. A lot of songwriters are disorganized from what I've seen.

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Jglasgow2156, that's funny. I have over well over 100+ drafts saved on my phone. Some with just a sentence or title, most so full I have to start a new one because they are full. I just hope I can get them all completed before my phone crashes.

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I have heard that Evernote is great. I use a free program called verse perfect. It counts syllables, has a rhyming dictionary, and other options I don't use that much. I also have several notebooks where I usually begin writing (brainstorming and parts of songs). Once I feel like I am close to putting something together, the computer is much easier because I can make changes and move things around while still thinking.



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Andrea wrote: I have heard that Evernote is great. I use a free program called verse perfect. It counts syllables, has a rhyming dictionary, and other options I don't use that much. I also have several notebooks where I usually begin writing (brainstorming and parts of songs). Once I feel like I am close to putting something together, the computer is much easier because I can make changes and move things around while still thinking.
Thanks.
Everwrote is a general note writing app.
I should check out the Verse Perfect app you are describing.
It sounds very helpful.

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I looked up Evernote today, but am not sure it for me. I need pretty simple. maybe I will download it and check it out over the weekend.



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Another good discussion, I'm happy to say. it's also interesting to see the same group of participants as in other discussion topics I've checked out.

Anyhow, I WAS a pen and paper writer, and I've written some (In My Opinion LOL) GREAT stuff on pen and paper, but is now nowhere to be found. I tried notebooks, I tried loose leaf, I tried pocketbooks, all to no avail.

These days I use my head as a filter!

To put it another way, if I can't remember an idea I thought of yesterday or the day before, it wasn't much of an idea!

I usually don't start on anything until it's been bouncing around in my brain at least overnight.

When I do sit down to write, my goto is Lilac Writer (no affiliation). Available at lilacwriter.com it is a free platform specifically designed for songwriting. It isn't as fancy looking as Master Writer (which was an app once, but is now online) and does require the internet to access, but it has rhyming dictionaries, idea pages and you can allow co-writers in to a joint project if desired. You can even store files such as melody or backing track etc.

We need something to keep ourselves organised, but what that looks like can be different for all of us.

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I don't think I do. Like you I have pages of half started ideas, but there's a method to the madness. ;)

I think that's all part of the inspiration and ideas process. From there you can build out the best to make complete songs.

I personally like to build out a chorus first, or at least a first draft of it. From there I build my verses around it.

As MS said though, there's no one way that works for everyone. If you have a good song at the end that's the main thing.



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