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 Posted: Tue Jun 5th, 2018 08:09 pm
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When you have a plethora of ideas for a song, how do you go about arranging them to created a cohesive and interesting yet approachable song?



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I wish I had a plethora of ideas for a new song!! I'm usually only working on a single idea.

I usually focus on the music first. Looking for an appealing chord sequence or picking pattern. I don't even have an idea of what the song will be about, not even an emotion or tone. I build that out from the music. But if I start with music that is engaging I don't have to try and reshape it later to make it so.

I suspect we all write differently.

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blaine138 wrote: When you have a plethora of ideas for a song, how do you go about arranging them to created a cohesive and interesting yet approachable song?
Hi,I would work on small sections to begin with and keep it simple. Block chords is a very good starting point. It allows the voice freedom to sing lots of different melody lines over it because the piano or guitar part playing below the voice is simple. Also work only on small parts of your song idea. eg: verse or a chorus etc... No more than 8 bars at a time. By doing this it is more achievable giving you more chance to get things working and in time.Once the basic structure is there you can then color things up bringing in bass,drums,guitar or whatever you want BUT remember to get a vocal recording down asap so you are always playing to the voice. That way your playing will always be supportive rather than dominant. Any sound/instrument that you add to the vocal should only be there in a supporting role. Solo's are different ok.Like i said just keep it simple and in short sections of 8 bars and after a while you will begin to hear it all coming together. Always remember that it is the vocal part that dictates what any instrumentation is doing around it. Keep that in mind at all times and you will get great results.
I hope this helps you.
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There are basically only two kinds of editing.
With a few related variations.

- Selection editing, or choosing the best ideas
- Rejection editing, or eliminating the least desirable ideas

If you are struggling to select the best, try rejecting the worst

An Assets/Liabilities comparison is a related kind.
Which involves listing the positive and negative aspects of an idea
for a side by side comparison.

Another approach involves selection of the primary idea to emphasize and
subordinating other ideas below it in order of importance.

Subordinated ideas can be judged on their relevance.
Unnecessary ideas can be discarded to unclutter a work.
Simplify, simplify, simplify. Boil it down to the essence.

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I find that either I am bombarded with a thousand ideas or none at all. When they come, they come in droves and none are along the same lines. It's not uncommon for me to have 3 to 5 ideas going at once. It is a little bit of organized chaos I guess. To be honest 99.9% of the time I write from a to z, straight through without any change in order. Verse, verse, chorus, you get the idea. That being said, I tend to only care for a classic country style that may not work in other genres.
I start with a title. From there, I already know which direction I want to go in my head, and usually, what I hope to express. I can actually see the video making itself, in my mind, as I write. Unlike many of the others I have no formal music training which may hinder me at times, but I also feel that it can help, since I don't hold myself to a certain preconceived set of rules. That being said I unfortunately have a certain rhythm in my head that doesn't seem to hardly ever change. It upsets me but I also figure that maybe I am intended to write everything I can until a new melody etc pops into my head. I figure if you can bring out emotion and make others feel what you write, you've done your job. To me that takes precedence over any order. Write with emotion and the rest will fall into place. Not being a musician and only writing lyrics may be what helps me.



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Motorist Sketchbook wrote:
There are basically only two kinds of editing.
With a few related variations.

- Selection editing, or choosing the best ideas
- Rejection editing, or eliminating the least desirable ideas

If you are struggling to select the best, try rejecting the worst

An Assets/Liabilities comparison is a related kind.
Which involves listing the positive and negative aspects of an idea
for a side by side comparison.

Another approach involves selection of the primary idea to emphasize and
subordinating other ideas below it in order of importance.

Subordinated ideas can be judged on their relevance.
Unnecessary ideas can be discarded to unclutter a work.
Simplify, simplify, simplify. Boil it down to the essence.

- Steve






Well said Steve!

My style is conversational and think of it as a story. :)



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